In the days in which I feared immunization, there were few things that panicked me more than what I saw today: stories of children killed by vaccines. Today, I saw them in the form of screenshots from the Facebook account of Karla Gardner, a mom whose eleven-month-old baby died after receiving routine immunizations. The way the screenshots are selected and placed by those sharing the story makes it clear that vaccines were to blame, and it's a chilling thing to witness:
A healthy baby girl goes in for her shots...
Spikes a high fever...
Becomes very, very sick...
Needs a miracle...
Won't make it through the night...
And passes away.
These stories are sacred to the anti-vaccine movement. When you see or read about a dead child, you don't care about numbers and statistics. You're consumed by fear that it could happen to you. You want justice for the child and the parents. You want to know that it won't happen again. You'll gladly donate to the pages set up to fund-raise for the child's funeral.
Through all the fear, you might not notice, for example, that on the mother's Facebook page, the posts about her daughter's death appear on March 6th, an entire nine days after she was vaccinated. You might be so distracted by the grief and agony that you don't see that, in the nine days between the check-up and her daughter's death, Mom wasn't posting about having a critically ill daughter, as she would be if her child were in the throes of encephalitis.
She was posting selfies:
Through all the fear, you might not notice, for example, that on the mother's Facebook page, the posts about her daughter's death appear on March 6th, an entire nine days after she was vaccinated. You might be so distracted by the grief and agony that you don't see that, in the nine days between the check-up and her daughter's death, Mom wasn't posting about having a critically ill daughter, as she would be if her child were in the throes of encephalitis.
She was posting selfies:
She was actually quite well in photos taken on February 28, halfway between the shots and her hospitalization:
Dig a little deeper and you'll find some other things that are rather troubling-- like that, immediately, Karla Gardner's friends kept the details of the story hushed:
You might discover that Thalia's father has been insistent that he had nothing to do with his daughter's death:
Or you might find the page where he's asking for money to help him
You might find that Thalia Vida's mother didn't say that vaccines were the cause of her daughter's death until several days later, at which point it came up because the hospital had a specific accusation:
And continuing later:
According to her aunt's account, Thalia Vida was hospitalized after she overdosed on an opiate. Police found a substance scattered on the floor of her home that matches the description of black tar heroin. Hospital staff later discovered that her brain swelling was actually consistent with injuries associated with shaken baby syndrome, which was her final cause of death.
I'm not a judge and I'm not on the jury for this case. But I will say that it seems to me that one of two things happened:
1. Thalia Vida suffered a severe reaction to a vaccine, which is something that happens in fewer than one in a million cases, and died of vaccine-induced encephalitis. She was for some reason well between when the shot was given and when she developed encephalitis a full eight days later. The doctors, nurses, coroner, and police all engaged in a cover-up of her vaccine-related death. To cover for a pharmaceutical company that none of them have any connection to, they accused the parents of shaking Thalia Vida and/or allowing her to access dangerous prescription drugs, including scattering them through the child's home after her death. The parents are now being prosecuted because of this cover-up. Thalia Vida's aunt was also in on the conspiracy and lied from the moment of her hospitalization in order to accuse two innocent people of child abuse.
2. Eight days after a check-up that found that she was well, Thalia Vida's father left drugs where she could access them and shook her, both of which caused her to experience swelling and bleeding in her brain. She died a horrible, premature, and unnecessary death the next day, a full nine days after her immunizations. When the parents realized that they could get sympathy, money, and help covering up the crime by calling it a vaccine injury, they began promoting the idea that vaccines killed their baby.
I'll let you decide for yourself which is more likely.
Shame on you. You are obviously terrified of the truth. And back from nature????? What a joke.
ReplyDeleteThey're probably CDC employees. This was a vaccine related death. Hands down, I've seen it too many times.
DeleteShe is not a CDC employee. And vaccines do not cause shaken baby syndrome. Violently shaking your baby to the point of retardation or death causes shaken baby syndrome. You can google it.
DeleteBy the way, super job on being a typical anti vaxxer, totally making shit up and spewing your false claims as fact.
DeleteSo lets talk about the 'Truth" vs the "antivax propaganda".
DeleteYou are theorizing, and then using your theorim to make accusations. Is it plausible as stated above that the child suffered Encephalitis from a vaccine? Sure it is.. its incredibly rare. And an easy test is to look for bacteria present in the Brain and blood stream of the child.
Could it be SBS? Sure.. and the symptoms do not all have to be there. It is likely that the Autopsy will be the sure-fire ending as to whether it is SBS or Encephalitis.
Also calling us, or people who support vaccines, as CDC employees is as unfair as Me calling you an uneducated nitwit for presuming you have any idea what you are talking about.. Google does not equate to a medical degree.
/Signed ER NURSE
Really wishing I could "like" your comment right now.
DeleteSymptoms of shaken baby syndrome and symptoms from encephalitis are identical! This articles bs and they only care because it defies the whole "vaccines are safe and effective".
DeleteI mean BLOG not article.
Deletehttp://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/635-the-shaken-baby-syndrome-lie.html
DeleteI can't believe I'm actually going to sit here and argue this point with someone with the IQ of my bath mat, but no, Encephalitis and SBS are not the same thing in the slightest.
DeleteWhy would you think they're CDC employees? Even if they were what's bad about people working for the CDC?
DeleteShaken Baby Syndrome is caused by trauma. There would be bruising ON THE BRAIN TISSUE. Something that mom or dad or news crews or police would have seen. A Certified Medical Professional would have seen bruising on the brain tissue for them to rule it as SBS, OTHERWISE they wouldn't have ruled it as SBS. As my friend pointed out, Encephalitis occurs due to a viral infection, which, admittedly, COULD be caused by the vaccines. It is extreme,y unlikely, but it is possible. That being said, if it were Encephalitis, there more than likely would have been a herniation, or the brain tissue would have protruded out into places where brain tissue should not be. Mom, dad, news crews and police would have been able to see that easily.
DeleteI didn't pay $50,000.00 for my education in the medical field to have "healthwyze"
Sorry this blog is weird for commenting.
DeleteWhat I meant to say was I didn't pay $50,000.00 for my formal education in the medical field to have "healthwyze" cited as an actual source of actual information about actual medicine. I would not get away with using that link in a formal educational institution, and you will not get away with using it here.
And as such, my $50,000.00 was money well spent as I do not need to google these things. I was taught the most up to date and correct information and I can tell you that you are just simply wrong.
DeleteKelly, WHAT IF WHAT YOU WERE TAUGHT WERE LIES and HALF-TRUTHS? you can become more aware of the truth by reading “New Film Exposes Shaken Baby Syndrome Myth – Opponents Want to Silence it at Film Festivals”
Deletehttp://medicalkidnap.com/2015/03/11/new-film-exposes-shaken-baby-syndrome-myth-opponents-want-to-silence-it-at-film-festivals/
and listening to a new documentary http://thesyndromefilm.com/ exposing that vaccines produce the same symptoms as if someone shook the baby causing of SBS.
You can also listen for 3 hours to the top experts who research and study vaccines
VACCINE WORLD SUMMIT (FREE)
http://vaccineworldsummit.com/summit-experts/
Anderson Williams An education in lies does not mean you speak the truth. You may whole heartedly believe what you were taught but that does not make it true or factual. Here is information they did not teach you. This is only a small amount of accurate factual information that proves vaccines are not safe and are not effective and do cause the epidemics of chronic illness and death. This is the wonderful outcome from researching subjects yourself. You do not have to pay to be taught lies.
Delete2012 CDC Pertussis Surveillance Slide
Look at the 5,563 figure at the bottom right corner. 58.5% of those infected with pertussis had all 3 of the recommended DTaP injections. 523 with 1-2 vaccine doses or 5.5 %. 851 with NO vaccine or 9%. 2,563 were Unknown if that received the DTaP or not or 27%. This surveillance slide from the CDC proves DTaP vaccines do not work on top of all of the neurotoxins (aluminum, Mercury) Diploid cells (DNA from aborted babies that the virus is grown on), caterpillar DNA, Dog Kidney DNA, Monkey Kidney DNA, peanut oil that is a major cause for the largest epidemic of peanut allergies in history. Formaldehyde (embalming fluid), polysorbate 80 and polysorbate 20 known to cause and cancer, antibiotics, and many other chemicals that should not be injected into the body bypassing our three natural defenses, the skin, stomach acid and mucosa lining of lungs, nose and throat
http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/downloads/pertussis-surveillance-report.pdf
Next, Lets look at page 11/13 in the DTaP vaccine insert that states
Adverse events reported during post-approval use of Tripedia vaccine include idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura, SIDS, anaphylactic reaction, cellulitis, autism, convulsion/grand mal convulsion, encephalopathy, hypotonia, neuropathy, somnolence and apnea.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/BiologicsBloodVaccines/Vaccines/ApprovedProducts/UCM101580.pdf
In a FDA study they found out Animals that received an acellular pertussis vaccine had the bacteria in their airways for up to six weeks and were able to spread the infection to unvaccinated animals. In contrast, animals that received whole-cell vaccine cleared the bacteria within three weeks. So the vaccinated children are carriers of pertussis and are spreading the disease to other vaccinated and unvaccinated children.
http://www.fda.gov/newsevents/newsroom/pressannouncements/ucm376937.htm
http://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/787.abstract
In your second post I will respond to your statements...
DeleteI am glad you bring up the DTap, currently.. and because I know what I am talking about... There is currently studies occurin as we speak regarding why we are still having issues related to Pertussis. Much more than prior or before...
The amount of infants who had the DTaP and still got pertussis with unknown history/up to all 3 doses made up only 28.5% of the people infected with Pertussis. Sounds like less children got pretussis who got the vaccine but I'll that number speak for itself.
In you adverse reaction paragraph you fail to mention these are reported adverse reactions... and then the subsiquent line...Events were included in this list because of the seriousness or frequency of reporting. Because these events are "reported voluntarily from a population of uncertain size, it is not always possible to reliably estimate their frequencies or to
establish a causal relationship to components of Tripedia vaccine"
Now you need a study reviewed more than once to prove actual relationship. Anyone can 'report conditions' you need to prove the occurance otherwise its just random reporting.. you do understand how epidemiology works right?
So the evidence of 'shedding' has yet to be truely established. What I can ask you is... if shedding is such an issue.... we vaccinate HOW many children yearly from NUMEROUS different disease? And out of how many million vaccines a year we have 24,000 cases of pertussis yearly with the miniority % actually have having the vaccine?
Whats the more likely scenario? Vaccines work and the rate of infection is lower in children with the vaccine, or that we are spreading the disease amoungst children by vaccinating and thats how they are getting it..? I mean think about it... 24,000 out of millions. I can calculate the statistics regarding it when I get back...
"...made up only 28.5% of the people infected with Pertussis. Sounds like less children got pretussis who got the vaccine but I'll that number speak for itself."
DeleteI presume that number only refers to those presenting with clinical pertussis and not including infected individuals that present subclinically.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2627963/
In the (deceased) infant’s family, a third sibling, age 11 years, also had a paroxysmal cough of 4 to 5 weeks’ duration. The 35-year-old mother had a 3-month history of persistent cough (But not clinical pertussis, so no worries, right?). An 18-yearold aunt, who took care of the infant and lived in the same house, reported a mild respiratory illness without paroxysmal cough (Again, no problem). None of the family members had a whooping episode, cyanosis, or pneumonia.
How many vaccinated individuals become infected with "a milder form of" (read subclinical) pertussis who are not included in the reported infection rates?
Pertussis is a mandatory reportable disease.. not because the CDC wants to cover it up.. but so we can track it. We can test for Pertussis... if someone is Subclinical, but presents with enough symptoms they should be tested.
DeleteYou cannot assert that a plausible possibility for under-reporting could discredit the entirety of the current information. Thats assuming an ending before actual evidence on that scale has been presented. You are making assumptions..
Don't get me wrong.. your presumption is a valid one. But hardly strong enough to really illicit questioning of what is already valid logic towards the topic. You need more evidence other than "what could happen.." because there is no evidence that it is happening.. or that it is happening enough to overshadow what we already know.
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I love the fact that your link says vaccine World Summit are experts or top experts in vaccination.
Humphries is a Nephrologist (that means a kidney doctor) who in her personal website about herself and what she feels tells people she 'isn't here to tell people not to vaccinate'.
Wakefield... was a gastrointerologist.. was... Yeah.. vaccine expert.
Rowen was a family medicine/ED doctor... who really believes in 'healing' through oxygenative or probably through hyperbarics... studies at my own hospital of our hyperbarics see results in less than 30% of clients.. but hey any help is better than hurt right? I'll give ya that atleast.. but This is a vaccine expert?
Orient is an internal medicine doctor essentially another GP... she doesn't even take patients she consults....
Levatin is Atleast a board certified pediatrician... except she is a homeopath. .and her opinions on the use of medications and hospital nutrition makes me shake my head...
Again none of these people are even infectious diseases doctors/immunologists or even people that anyone who understands medical background would consider 'experts'. They all make money telling you not to listen to peer reviewed research.. and to listen to 'all natural' none studied quakery. Statistically we are going to find people who will believe something no matter what regardless of what logic and facts dictate otherwise we wouldnt even be having this conversation. However, Those people sound more like whomever that group that made that video could find with credientials to argue thier point.. and be taken seriously. Thats not science... Thats conjecture by less qualified people.
Paul Offit.... chief of infectious disease at Childrens Hospital. I win. He studies vpds.. vaccines.. and literally writes the book on this stuff. My expert trumps all of your experts combined...
Neither you nor I maybe physicians which is irrelevant... but our 'sources' do not equate.
Jon I hope you never go to a doctor because otherwise you're just a dumb hypocrite. I also know that you'll die of an easily preventable illness or broken limb.
DeleteI hope, deep down inside where it really counts, you realize what a horrible person you are. To say these things about a family who just lost their beautiful daughter. Shame on you
ReplyDeleteYou are using AD Hominem attacks to support a Narrative. you are being illogical.
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DeleteActually through out the entire thread there are tons.. "what a horrible person you are"....
DeleteHow is that not a personnal attack. Using a personnal attack to justify ignoring someone's view point is literally an AD Hominem.
I do not need to provide proof of my education, and if you feel some how you are superior thats fine... Im an ER nurse. I deal with abused children all the time...I also deal with Stroke/Trauma/Diffuse Axonal Injury/Sepsis/Encephalitis all of the time.
Now I said we cannot ignore the possibility of Encephalitis, I mean it is a RARE adverse side effect if vaccines.. if you want me to educate you on how it would work Id o not mind. However... I am not fueling an agenda here I am probably the most objective here.
Also lets examine your claim of 'educating in lies'. Have you ever seen clinically diagnosible conspiracy theorists.. with the yarn on the tack board and the pictures. Whenever someone says my 'Education' is an Education in Lies.. I point there and draw similarities. Occam's Razor says the most logical solution is probably the right solution...
what makes more logical sense? 50+ Years of Scientific Evidence and Proof.. or yarn/Tackboard/Tacks/Pictures... usually from people with absolutly no formal medical training.
Jon breaks an arm and dies of gangrene like a true person of nature
DeleteI cannot even begin to tell you how disgusting I think you are and how horribly sad I am for your children.
ReplyDeleteYou're disgusting and horrible for wanting your kids to die a terrible preventable death from measles.
DeleteThank you! Finally a voice of reason in all this madness. It's disgusting how these anti vaxxers are so desperate to prove vaccines are bad (they're not) that they're using and lying about the death and most probably murder of an innocent baby.
ReplyDeleteYou don't even know if it's murder of an innocent baby! For all we know it was the vaccines that caused her death! How about we get the results from the autopsy before you start spewing bs.
Deletehttp://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/635-the-shaken-baby-syndrome-lie.html
DeleteVaccines do not cause shaken baby syndrome. Someone killed this baby. Not a vaccine. Healthwyze is not a valid source.
Deletethe baby got shaken so unless you have to shake a baby up like it's a margarita to vaccinate (you don't dumbasses) vaccines had nothing to do with the kid's death.
DeleteAlright crazies, the hospital ruled the cause of death as Shaken Baby Syndrome. Point blank. You don't get to decide whether the hospital is or is not correct. What you are obviously not understanding is that Shaken Baby Syndrome has classic, hallmark signs. You can't misdiagnose Shaken Baby Syndrome. And there is only one cause for Shaken Baby Syndrome, and that is violently shaking your baby. Shaking your baby so hard, that the brain hits the skull repeatedly, and damage is done to the brain stem. If shaken violently enough, the brain stem will sever, causing death. Somebody shook this baby, and the mother's behaviour is EXTREMELY questionable.
ReplyDeleteFirst, she is confused about the time of death. She can't seem to decide on which day her baby actually passed.
Then, dad is the main suspect for SHAKING THIS BABY SO HARD THAT SHE DIED. Then mom shares his gofundme for legal fees. Sounds guilty.
Mom asks for prayers at 4:something pm, and later states that the baby died at 3:something pm, then later says the baby died an entire day later. Which is it?
What she meant was Thalia, their Thalia, their baby girl was gone. They told her that. Technically she wasn't taken off of life support until later. But they realistically said goodbye to their baby twice. Anyone who has been in that situation understands what that means.
DeleteNo no sweetie. She straight up states, Thalia passed at 3:50 or whatever, on the 5th. Then later says she passed on the 6th. She already had a gofundme for her death up and running and collecting money before the child died. I think anyone who has been through that situation understands that it would be a chore just to keep breathing. Why was she so quick to set up a free money account?
DeleteTechniqually if the child suffered a Herniation, then the hospital could have told her that the baby is not going to survive. Then she would have needed to be declared Brain dead, and eventually her heart would be allowed to stop and organs harvested or an autopsy preformed. For some it may be difficult to establish a time.. and it is irrelevant to the situation.
DeleteShe lost her kid period. Whether or not it was shaken or Vaccines is our discussion right now. If the ME rules it as SBS you really need to accept it for what it is. If it was encephalitis.. its easy to tell the difference.
http://vactruth.com/2013/06/22/shaken-baby-syndrome/
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Deletehttp://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/635-the-shaken-baby-syndrome-lie.html
DeleteAll 3 sites are written by people who are bias and have NO scientific rationale or evidence for their wild and outlandish theories.
DeleteHere is an Actual Phyiscian talking about Abusive Head Trauma/Diffuse Axonal Injury...
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-antivaccine-lie-that-just-wont-die-shaken-baby-syndrome-is-really-due-to-vaccine-injury/
Why would you trust a physician that went to med school and uses science based medicine when you can listen to a stay at home mom that barely graduated high school?
DeleteYou are so wrong. I am the person who approached Karla on sat night at about midnight about it being vaccine related. We have spent hours combing over the details, talking with hospital admin etc. Also Tyler, Thalia's father took a drug test immediately to clear himself of those accusations. This couple has opened their home, cars, emails, etc for law enforcement to look at whatever they feel necessary. You should be ashamed of yourself dragging their names through the mud while they are grieving. Check your facts closer next time.
ReplyDeleteI agree these people are gung ho pro-vaxxers and they don't care if they have to shame a family to "prove" it wasn't the vaccines that caused her death.
DeleteI am shaming no one.. I am here for just the facts regarding both based off peer reviewed research.. expert testimony and none of your psuedoscience tom-fuckery.
DeleteI do not seek medical information from my grocery story bagger you should not seek it from random individuals posting 'opinions' on the interwebs.
That baby got shaken up. Babies aren't put in a margarita shaker to vaccinate them so you're not going to get shaken baby syndrome from vaccinating.
DeleteYou are so wrong. I am the person who approached Karla on sat night at about midnight about it being vaccine related. We have spent hours combing over the details, talking with hospital admin etc. Also Tyler, Thalia's father took a drug test immediately to clear himself of those accusations. This couple has opened their home, cars, emails, etc for law enforcement to look at whatever they feel necessary. You should be ashamed of yourself dragging their names through the mud while they are grieving. Check your facts closer next time.
ReplyDeleteyou don't shake a baby to vaccinate them. someone shook the baby and that caused the baby to die.
DeleteHow does taking a drug test clear him of having abused a baby to death?
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DeleteThen the aunt comes in, says the baby ingested opiates in a pill form while in dad's care, and that he suffers from pain. So, OxyContin right? That doesn't explain the little black balls all over the carpet, which would be either opium or heroin.
ReplyDeleteIt is certainly possible that he saw her ingest the OxyContin pill, and tried to shake it out of her. I'm willing to give that benefit of doubt. But why is an almost-one-year-old getting her hands on opiates in the first place?
Funny you should mention that the dad might be innocent. I had that thought too. So who else cared for the baby during February 25 when she had her vaccines, and March 5th or 6th (mom can't decide) when the baby died.
ReplyDeleteThis Felicia person seems might interesting to me.
And again, VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE SHAKEN BABY SYNDROME.
Encephalitis and Shaken Baby Syndrome are TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. They have different telltale signs, and are caused by different things. This is not a case of vaccine injury.
Prove that. I'll wait. Have the proper independent studies even been done? Please do not present BS form the CDC.
DeleteWhy wouldn't you trust the CDC? Oh right, it's not some mommy blogger.
DeleteSee other comment above. Not that I'm actually in the mood for this ridiculous vax vs. anti vax nonsense right now, when a child has died. Can't you take your anti vax sewage somewhere that doesn't involve the death on an innocent baby?
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DeleteIf the autopsy finds that encephalitis occured via a viral infection then the family has enough proof to seek compensation through the vaccine injury fund. Though rare.. encephalitis CAN occur because of vaccines.
DeleteThat does not mean vaccines aren't safe no more than plane crashes mean flying isn't safe.
Wrong. She had no other injuries. For it to be SBS there would've been bruising, neck injuries and possible broken bones. Her brain swelled. And that was caused by the vaccines.
ReplyDeleteYup, exactly. For doctors to diagnose her with SBS, there would have to be characteristic symptoms of SBS. If those symptoms were not there, it wouldn't have been ruled as her cause of death. How are you more qualified to rule her cause of death than people who spend their entire lives studying these matters?
Delete"could have been" is the appropriate terminology for the injuries.
DeleteTo presume that those symptoms "have to be there" is putting an ultimate limitation on the fact. You can't do that. You have to presume that if the Hospital or the ME suggest that its SBS there has to be evidence.
If it was encephalitis.....There also needs to be evidence... and an ME can rule which is which.
I love this man.
DeleteShe is right! For it to have been SBS she would have other injuries such as spinal cord and neck injury. http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/635-the-shaken-baby-syndrome-lie.html
DeleteYou need to stop citing your grocery bagger at your local Grocery store.
DeleteAlso, since you're so sure there were no other injuries, I guess you must have been there, present, in the room at the time of diagnosis. Do you have any pictures or actual proof of your claims? I am confident it was Shaken Baby Syndrome, and thus, I am confident there were other injuries, or else the certified medical professionals would not have ruled it as shaken baby syndrome.
DeleteJust for you information I am the grandmother of that baby and the official cause of death was not SBS so get your facts straight. That would be hard for you to to since every single thing on this joke of a blog is speculation. I am here to tell you that even though the autopsy has been completed there is still no official cause of death and several and I mean a list of people were investigated. If you were a decent human being you would leave the family alone. As far as what was posted by the Aunt, she has since apologized to the mother and the father. She was grieving just like everyone else and said things that were medically not true. There were multiple possibilities of what happened to this precious baby and yes she had periods of time where she was feeling better after being medicated after her shots but she developed a high fever the day after that never went away. The doctor was called several time and they were given the same answer. Just give her Tylenol. So please don't insinuate that these parents had anything to do with this childs death
DeleteIts for pediatricians to diagnose over the phone. For the most part if children can get enough to drink, the fever is going down with medication...they arent having trouble breathing... it isnt for a prolonged period that pediatricians will simply ask to see them in the office. Then give them a good look over. It really is hard to diagnose over the phone.
DeleteI always tell parents go with your gut, if you arent sure its not going to hurt to just go to the ER.
I cant imagine what your family is going through right now, and I can only pray that the pain you all are expierencing doesnt go away but that with time it becomes easier to bare.
If the autopsy comes back encephalitis make sure you make the report and sue for the vaccine injury fund. That is enough evidence to make the claim, and you guys are likely to win. It wont make it better but it might help alittle.
I do have a general question though.. if you say that the autopsy is complete but there is not cause of death, how do you know it wasn't SBS? Im just curious if they said they ruled it out or not. There are a host of possibilities.. if she developed a hemmoragic stroke with no evidence of trauma it could be congenital and literally you all should get MRIs. My mother had one.. and we all have to get tested.. including my son.
Our prayers and thoughts are with you and your family.
It is interesting because the mother had a stroke about 6 wks before this happened
DeleteVaccines don't cause shaken baby syndrome. You're an idiot. It's awful how you're either exploiting this family to further your anti vax idiocy or you're trying to help someone get away with murder. The vaccines aren't going to kill someone nine days later when after two days of having them she was back to her usual self and past the normal fever and crankiness after vaccines.
ReplyDeleteHow about you look it up for yourself! http://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/635-the-shaken-baby-syndrome-lie.html
DeleteI have already torn this link to ribbons... I trust someone with no medical degree, understanding or knowledge of trauma/the brain/encephalitis/diffuse axonal sheering to give me advice.
DeleteWhen you go to the grocery store do you ask the Bagger about TPA administration in Ischemic stroke?
Posting that link over and over won't make it any more valid.
DeleteHow about YOU look it up for yourself. I'm sure your local library has medical textbooks, why don't you try there?
DeleteActually that's also not true. Do your research before you come spewing your venom.
ReplyDeleteNo.. vaccines do not cause SBS. Its actually called Abusive head Trauma/Diffuse Axonal Injury.
DeleteAxonal Sheering which needs an ME to confirm is a horrendous and catastrophic injury that occurs during trauma. You literally tear the axons in the brain in several spots. Broken bones... no matter how much koolaid you drink.. cannot be cause by vaccines. That literally is stupidity. In the links you people established you create the alternate possibly of these statistical rarities where, which error could also be possible, that some of the symptoms could occur without trauma...
That doesn't mean vaccines did it.. and the planets also align every so many thousands of years.. doesnt mean it happens every time babies get shaken. Now I dunno what you do for a living, but Im an ER nurse.. and if you think people can't and don't abuse children you are an idiot..
I can tell you heart breaking stories of abuse.. and they occur too frequently.
Does that mean that happened here? I have no idea.. it is plausible that this infant developed a viral infection and then encephalitis. Its plausible it could have been from the vaccine.. incredibly rare but plausible. If evidence of Abuse Head Trauma or Diffuse Axonal Injury is found then its impossible for it to be the vaccine alone. Do not believe the manufactured Bullshit.. vaccines cannot cause "SBS".
In any event... saying it was vaccines with out proof is no better than accusing someone of abuse. Atleast they admit they are being accused of abuse and its not just being made up out of mid fucking air.
Have you even read that link?
ReplyDeleteDirect quote from the link you just posted:
Not intended to be or substitute for proper medical advice and supervision. This information is provided for educational purposes only. Consult a professional healthcare practitioner before administering any healthcare protocol.
http://vactruth.com/2013/06/22/shaken-baby-syndrome/
ReplyDeleteVactruth is a dichotomy of terrible misinformation propagated by people who have NO idea what they are talking about. Citing that as an information is like citing L.Ron Hubbard for information related to space travel and aliens.
Deletehttp://healthwyze.org/index.php/component/content/article/635-the-shaken-baby-syndrome-lie.html
DeleteI have read this opinion.. it cites ONE doctor... and thats it. No evidence.. no backing.. just blah blah blah
DeleteIm sorry I need to expand it has one QUOTE from a doctor.. doesnt not explain Diffuse Axonal Sheering.. and does not explain broken bones and taumra.
DeleteAll the research there is to be done has been documented in this blog. Anything else is not publicized. If I don't know it, you don't know it. You're not special. And this is not a vaccine injury.
ReplyDeleteYou're not a doctor and an autopsy has not been performed so we will see.
DeleteFrom your opinion I doubt it matters what the autopsy does end up saying. You'll still think it was vaccines.
DeleteHow do you know I'm not a doctor?
DeleteI'm not, but I do work in the field.
I know YOURE not a doctor, by any means.
Do you know anything about the companies who make vaccines? And how they operate? Big pharma? Do you know what that is? I know you can't be this stupid to sit here and argue without researching. Good luck. Go get some more vaccines.
ReplyDeleteIf you can provide Peer Reviewed Scientific Information as to your elaborate Ad Hominems thats one thing. Otherwise you are just flailing around about the sky falling while being blind.. deaf and a quadriplegic.
DeleteYou cannot make accusations without information and you are propagating a theorim that has been debunked so many times its laughable.
Please "educate" me as to your logic and Research.. and I assure you I have done mine.
They love the Government and would never believe they are out to harm us because how can the people that mandate us be so cruel?? Waaaah! They are sheep! They blatantly follow the lies and are so consumed and brain washed in their own ignorance that they see anything that defies it as pseudo science and quackery. They will say things like "oh all that has been debunked and you're a moron and stupid is as stupid does" all because they believe the people who are in control could never be so evil and money hungry to make vaccines that weren't nearly as effective as said to be. You can show them evidence of the actual NEWS stating how companies such as Merck have lawsuits against them for commiting fraud! Their own employees coming out about how ineffective and of low quality their studies really are. They will believe the company and say it's not true because Merck said so! These people are living in a fake reality and haven't succumbed to the bigger picture yet. They will throw out everything we can question and say "you're a conspiracy theorist nutjob, go put your tin foil hat back on". All we can do is laugh at them because they are so blind to reality. This worlds so fucked but they think believe everything's perfect. See ya in about 2 to 5 years from now when the shit hits the fan =]. Fuckin' sheeple!
DeleteYou wrote a narrative.. congratulations.. This is not science.. its a rant. You share the likes of Alex Jone/People who feel we didnt land on the moon/ and people who have lost thier medical licsense for MAKING SHIT UP.
DeleteThat is not science and you need to provide FACTS for your claims.
sorry your grand conspiracy doesn't fit reality
DeleteOh please, don't tell me you're actually trying to prove that vaccines cause shaken baby syndrome. You are insane.
ReplyDeleteKelly maybe you are insane because it seems you're so full of ignorance. No wonder people laugh at you.
DeleteNobody laughs at her.
DeleteI'm not special? You have no hospital or medical documents here. I do....I know far more then you'll ever know.
ReplyDeleteLike legitimately insane, and should be isolated from society,
ReplyDeleteTroll! I really am starting to think you're a paid troll!
DeleteIf I were a paid troll, it would be the easiest money I ever made.
DeleteOh you have documents showing she was diagnosed with something other than sbs? Or documents profiling her injuries? Share with the rest of the class, we'll wait. I'm guessing however that we'll be waiting quite awhile as you're full of shit. You are exploiting the death of an innocent baby. It's so sick. This baby's death is horribly sad, she deserves justice.
Deletehey can I get paid to troll
Deletethat's not a thing by the way because people do it for free
Has it ever occurred to you that "Big Pharma" would actually bring in more revenue for treating sick people than preventing sickness?
ReplyDeleteThat's laughable. That is why they vaccinate!!!! It brings in sickness!
DeleteYou have no understanding of Immunology.
Deleteeverybody wants to catch polio
DeleteExactly. Now you're thinking. Because these vaccines cause lifelong diseases. Autoimmune diseases....do you know how much $$ they make off of them? And ironically these vaccines have LISTED side effects that are lifelong. Just no one gets the actual vaccine inserts from the CDC and researches.
ReplyDeleteI read the insert.. You need to provide information for your accusations otherwise.
Deleteyea no none of that is true sorry you blowhard
DeleteNo one is saying don't vaccinate. Everyone is saying we and our children deserve safe vaccines. That's all.
ReplyDeleteVaccines are as safe as possible.. to presume otherwise needs scientific proof.. provided it when you are able.
Deleteexcept for all the people saying don't vaccinate
DeleteI think most people do want others to vaccinate. They want to reap the benefits of a vaccinated society, they use the herd, they just dont want to contribute. They are selfish and don't give a shit about any of the people their not vaccinating puts on danger
DeleteNo one is saying don't buckle your seat belt upon entering your vehicle...we are just saying that seat belts kill more people then they save...
DeleteIf they could say 100% for sure he shook her or if he failed the drug test he volunteered to take for the police before they even left their house, Tyler would be in jail. So that's a bunch of bs.
ReplyDeleteThey shouldnt arrest him if they think he did it until they preform an autopsy. If there is only some evidence of Abusive Head Trauma then there needs to be a definitive autopsy. otherwise they could be accusing an innocent man of nothing.. If they discover encephalitis and not trauma induced ceberal edema then it could have been the vaccine. Its rare but plausible.
DeleteAnd testing negative for drugs is irrelevant. I mean you are presuming that the 'black tar heroin' supposedly found on the floor means nothing? I mean just playing advocate here but couldnt he be selling it??
babies don't get shaken from vaccinations so sorry you're crazy and dumb
DeleteOh boy, here we go...
ReplyDeleteAnybody with half a brain in their head, who coincidentally has read the inserts, and even understands the "big words" will tell you they HIGHLY RECOMMEND VACCINES.
Of course our children deserve safe vaccines, so aren't we lucky that we have safe vaccines at our disposal!
Yes, there is about a 1:1,000,000 risk that you might react badly to the vaccine. You put your children at greater risk every day by driving them places, or being anywhere that there is a thunderstorm happening. And driving them to school is purely convenience. Vaccines save lives.
You say I'm not showing any medical documents? Are you being serious? Where are your medical documents?
Are you even a friend of the family? You say you "approached" them. Why? You saw a dead baby who recently had been vaccinated and decided you could exploit this poor little girl's death to fit your antivax agenda?
Heinous.
Absolutely heinous.
It's heinous that you're making accusations against a family who is grieving for fucks sake! All because you don't want it to be true that your precious vaccines could be the cause of this poor baby's death! How about you get a life TROLL!!!
DeleteNo, what's heinous is when all else fails, your poor excuse for links, your pseudoscience, etc, and you then resort to personal attacks towards anyone with a different opinion than your own. That's heinous. This isn't a fight about vaccines. Yes, most of us are pro vaccine. And we actually give a shit about what actually happened to this child. It is the anti vax community, going around spewing their non-truths, trying to make this poor girl's death fit their irrational agenda.
DeleteGo give yourself a bleach enema, it might clean out your system of the sewage coming from your mouth.
it's pretty easy to scream troll to ignore any criticism. NEWS FLASH CRITICISM AND DISAGREEMENT ISN'T NECESSARY TROLLING
DeleteMaybe he didn't shake her. But someone did and it wasn't the vaccines. Just because they haven't arrested anyone doesn't mean everyone is innocent. It means they have to build their case and they need evidence. It might be hard to prove who exactly shook her. It could've been any of them.
ReplyDeleteTrust me if they really thought he did it he would of already been arrested. They know vaccines could have played a factor that is why they CANT arrest him. You should read some of the stories on dreamindemon.com those people are fucking lunatics that actually kill their babies! You don't see the police waiting to arrest those psychos! Cases of child abuse last months to years and there are tall tell signs!
DeleteThey will not arrest until they've built a case, have evidence and an autopsy. I guess your understanding of law enforcement is as good as your understanding of immunology
DeleteTrust you? Do you work for the Las Vegas Police Department?
DeleteIf I'm being honest, I'm having a pretty difficult time trusting you.
So wait a minute..."if they really thought he did it he would of already been arrested," and then you proceed to present a plethora of instances where people are guilty of murdering their children, and then continue to contradict your original statement by saying "Cases of child abuse last months to years and there are tell tale signs." So which is it? Would he be arrested right away? Or would it take them "months to years" to build a case, and make an arrest?
DeleteBut there is enough evidence to show that SOMEBODY SHOOK THIS BABY.
ReplyDeleteMaybe she had a normal fever from the vaccines. Anyone with kids can understand how difficult a baby with a fever can be.
I think she had a fever, and she cried, and cried, and cried, and cried, and somebody just couldn't take it anymore, and they shook her. Or maybe they popped an opiate in her mouth in an attempt to ease her pain.
But somebody is guilty. And moms behaviour, deleting old facebook posts that are rather essential to the story (that luckily we got before she did delete them), is suspicious. As. Fuck.
If they thought anybody was actually guilty, an arrest would of already been made. They know vaccines could of played a big part so until that is proven wrong no arrest will be made. Quit attacking this family just because you want it to be true that child abuse went on. There are signs of child abuse and I am pretty damn sure that mom wouldn't just let the father abuse his daughter.
DeleteDid you know dad was recently in jail for domestic violence against his wife? Again they have to build a case before they atreat anyone. Maybe it wasn't his abusive ass, but summertime hurt her.
DeleteIf you paid close attention, you'd see we are also suspicious of the child care provider, Felicia. Why don't you take 2 minutes and actually READ this blog. I'll wait.
Deleteabused spouses do allow the abuser to abuse the child sometimes. It's sad but it happens
DeleteI thought it sounded pretty obvious that what probably happened was the little girl found something on the ground, stuck it in her mouth as kids are wont to do, and she overdosed. One of the parents finds her, can't wake her up, freaks out and shakes her to death in an attempt to wake her up. It's sad that but makes sense that they would try to pass her death off as anything else and luckily, guess who approaches them with the perfect scapegoat? Way to go Katie!
DeleteI agree, that sounds very probable.
DeleteUgh exactly Iani :o( I wish I could lose the logic. Sometimes ignorance is bliss. No one wants to reach this kind of conclusion. It's awful.
DeleteExactly, Kelly
ReplyDeleteLol she's gone!?
ReplyDeleteEither she realized she was outnumbered and wasn't comfortable arguing false claims without a posse, or she's off trying to find a way to prove vaccines cause shaken baby syndrome! What a nut!
Yes everyone that doesn't agree with thou holy one is a nut! Get off your damn high horse!
DeleteAnyone who tries to claim that SBS can be caused by vaccines is a nut, yes, I would say that is correct.
DeleteAnd you ought to try real information, high horses are nice. Everything is so clear up here!
don't you know that in order to vaccinate a child you have to shake it until it's properly foamed?
DeleteSo the single biggest reason to vaccinate is when ever someone cites that vaccines kill or maim or hurt.. or even bring up the serious Adverse Effects of like say the MMR.
ReplyDeleteFor instance.. in the last 25 ish Years I have heard from Antivaxxers that there have been 6000 Adverse reactions recorded for the MMR.. they can be anything from Hives, Anaphylaxis, Fever.. so on and so on.
So 6000 in 25 years. 4 Million infants are born each year.. Each child gets 2 doses of MMR... thats 7.2 million vaccinations a year if we calculate a 90% vaccination rate.
That means in 25 years there have been 180,000,000 MMR given.... whats the percentage of people who have suffered Adverse Reactions??
Around 0.003%..... IF my math is right :)
http://whale.to/m/pitcairn6.html
DeleteI have read some of Pitcarin's work.. not only is he incredibly wrong and off base...
DeleteHe has no scientific studies to back his principles.. and he is a Veterinarian. I really wouldnt take medical advice from him..
"Whale"? Is she serious? We're having a discussion about science and medicine and she links you to something called "whale"? I don't even need to look to know it's garbage.
DeleteWhy don't you try Oxford Journals, I find their information to be rather accurate.
yea but the oxford journals are funded by the illuminati
DeleteIt's funny how that same mom never mentions a real reason of death to anyone or that her husband wasnt to be found hours after the baby went to the hospital. When he could have been in the ambulance with her. Yeah.... nothing shady there.... She's more busy keeping her fame on social media then anything. If you look her up she's all about herself and her followers on twitter, facebook instagram etc...what kind of mother and father can go and be on their social media all day long while the baby is dying. The dad asks for a portrait of the baby to later have it as a tattoo please your daughter just died and that's your biggest worry????? Then come up with a vaccine killing the baby story by her looking up similar case nobody told her that could be a real cause. Then make a go fund me for a lawer? Yes all the stupid people who donate to a mom and dad who's baby just died because of neglence and drugs reward them with money good for them. They post a picture of the baby looking like she just woke up and say that baby had no life in her but the baby days later looks like a normal happy baby in other pictures. I'm sorry but no way if i know my baby is sick days leading to her death would I be posting selfies. What kind of parent does that? A neglegent parent!! Now why was the father who has a open record for domestic abuse, the same father who had a restraining order from her out of fear for her life and her children, the same father who left them homeless getting them evicted, while he spent all his money on drugs. That same father that was at home when your baby died and cops find drugs but wait no the baby died from a vaccine. What a horrible person to not see a connection to what really killed your child. I mean when nobody has their back. It should show you that when her whole family turned their back on you their's something going on. The same family that was there at the hospital for that baby and didn't leave for the love of the baby. But instead the people who never showed up at the hospital and aren't asking child protective services or the doctors what happened happen to know more then the people who were there. That baby needs justice she didn't deserve to be raised by such neglegent parents and neither do her other kids god knows they're better off with anyone but them.
ReplyDeleteMunchausen syndrome by proxy (MSP) -- or Munchausen by proxy -- is a psychological disorder marked by attention-seeking behavior by a caregiver through those who are in their care.
DeleteMSP is a relatively rare behavioral disorder. It affects a primary caretaker, often the mother. The person with MSP gains attention by seeking medical help for exaggerated or made-up symptoms of a child in his or her care. As health care providers strive to identify what's causing the child's symptoms, the deliberate actions of the mother or caretaker can often make the symptoms worse.
The person with MSP does not seem to be motivated by a desire for any type of material gain. While health care providers are often unable to identify the specific cause of the child's illness, they may not suspect the mother or caretaker of doing anything to harm the child. In fact the caregiver often appears to be very loving and caring and extremely distraught over her child's illness.
People with MSP may create or exaggerate a child's symptoms in several ways. They may simply lie about symptoms, alter tests (such as contaminating a urine sample), falsify medical records, or they may actually induce symptoms through various means, such as poisoning, suffocating, starving, and causing infection.
-WebMD
DeleteI just cannot wrap my head around the ignorance of people like Sam Harp. He knows nothing about this family and yet he wants to take posts of someones facebook as gospel. First of all jackass the father did go to the hospital with the baby. Second of all jackass they were not homeless they moved to a less expensive apartment so that the father did not have to work two jobs , only one. There was never a restraining order against him because he was a danger to her or the kids. He raised one of her children from the time she was an infant and always considered her his. In response to your ignorant accusations of the mother posting on social media while that precious baby was losing her life, she did not post people posted info for her because so many people were worried about the family. The family of both the mother and the father NEVER EVER turned their backs on either one of them. Both have loving families that were involved in their and their childrens lives. The last thing I am going to address you waste of skin is that there were NO and let me say it again NO drugs found in the home. Now please shut your slandering pie hole.
DeleteSo all her friends were signing into her Facebook to post for her? I personally saw her Facebook page before she changed her privacy settings. I guess I got confused when it said "Karla Gardner" next to all the posts....
DeleteGuess you did because yes her friends were posting for her. My question to you is why are you looking at her face book posts to begin with. Get a life for god sake. I am the grandmother of that precious baby so I am guessing I know more than everyone on here so go ahead with your accusations that the father was a wife beater and all your other slanderous crap. You may go on and on like this for ever without any answers because I assure you what the autopsy showed will not be shared on social media. The family has certainly learned their lesson about posting their lives on facebook for people to twist to fit their own agendas. There are numerous reasons for brain swelling and to correct the rumors floating around they did NOT rule her death SBS. You may have to just accept the fact that they have learned their lesson about keeping their lives private. They had no idea how truly hateful people are till all this happened. So you can save your open letters, which she read by the way if that makes the person who posted it happy and she truly believes that the person who wrote it is bat shit crazy. Now leave this family alone
DeleteWow she really ran with her tail tucked, hey?
ReplyDeleteI have that effect on women...
DeleteLol that hasn't been my experience thus far.
DeleteOh that one there. You should see some of the nonsense she posts on the facebook antivax crowds. She approached the parents, she told them vaccines are what killed their daughter, and she could "prove" it.
DeleteSo this whole thing is her fault? I wish there could be some sort of legal punishment for that. Someday....
DeleteYou can really sit here and post this manipulated as garbage about my child? She was very much affected by vaccinations yes she had small chunks of time where the medicine worked and she felt better but she was up everynight with hives and fevers up over 100-101 degrees she was rocked to sleep for hrs with a cool towel on her for head by her mother. Yes some of the symptoms reduce greatly leading up to her not breathing but that doesn't really confirm the brain was still swelling or bleeding, for people to point the finger at two parents who have always done nothing but love and care for there children of being responsible for it is malicious and insensitive. Yes I was or on pain pills a few years ago for a back injury and it became. Problem I waS sick if I didnt take them I alsor got help to get off of them
ReplyDeleteAnd have to so much as took a Tylenol since may of last year not to mention our daughter was given an anti opiate without having any opiates actually in her system and that's why she came up positive for opiates her aunt does not have all the facts and is upset and wants a answer. Maybe vaccines aren't the answer but I can't say that there not and if there not then a lady we hired to take care of our child caused her death the Only Thing I certain of is my wife or I wouldn't hurt any of our children and for you and the rest of the scum bags using my daughters death as some sort of publicity stunt are heartless soulless people the people giving us vaccination information and actual drs and profeasionals to speak to are trying to help us find answers what is it exactly you are trying to do? Blame two inocent parents of killing their child days after losing her. you people really deserve whatever horrible events or tragedies come your way for painting such an inaccurate fact less picture of our little gir
DeleteI'm sorry for your loss.
As to you thinking she tested positive to opiates due to the medication she was given, whoever fed you that line is lieing. NArcan reverses the effects of opiates, and does not cause a positive drug screen. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7978599
If she tested positive for opiates it was because she ingested opiates.
My heart breaks for your daughter. And my heart brakes that you have been duped by the antivax crowd. They don't care about you or your daughters death. They are using you. They only latch on to your story becaus they feel it somehow proves their delusions of being all knowing. Your daughters death gives them ammunition to fight a bogus cause.
Vaccines do not cause symptoms of shaken baby syndrome. Narcan does not cause a positive drug screen. Some drugged your baby (or allowed her access to drugs), and someone physically assaulted your baby. Maybe it's easier to think vaccines did it. But it's not likely true. There is a human being out there who did this. That's what you should be focused on. If it wasn't you, who was it?
I feel Kelly owes you an apology. I am so sorry for your loss of your daughter. It breaks my heart everytime I hear of the death of a baby. I have three babies of my own and I cant imagine your pain. My prayers are with you and I hope there is justice for your daughter.
DeleteMr. Gardner, my deepest sympathies and condolences go to your wife. It sounds like she is in extreme and unimaginable pain, and I'm sure she's also in denial and wants to believe that the man she loves didn't do this.
DeleteCould you tell me a little bit about your arrest record? You haven't just been in for drugs. You were only recently released on charges of battery and domestic violence. Can you explain how you're capable of beating your wife but not shaking a baby?
Kelly does not owe him an apology. She wants justice for his baby. All of you exploiting the death of his daughter and preying on his wife's grief to try to further your anti vax agenda
DeleteOwe his entire family an apology
Deletelol you killed your baby and you want sympathy
DeleteI have a special message for you Juniper Russo. You are possibly one of the most hateful people on the planet. You should be ashamed of yourself. Someday someone will knock you off your high horse and believe me it is going to be a very long fall. Mr. Gardner as you would like to refer to him was never arrested for drugs . Its been publicly stated that he was prescribed drugs after and accident and had a hard time stopping as many people do. That is no longer a problem. If you would like to criticize and make snide comments about it that only reflects on the type of person you are and not his character.You assume that because someone was arrested for domestic violence they beat there wife. I dont know if you were aware that if the police are called to a domestic dispute there doesnt need to be any beating involved. In Nevada if they show up someones got to go. That is the case one hundred percent of the time. So now your question regarding the arrest record had been answered 1 time and NOT so recently . So quit stating things that are not true hoping people will take you word for it.
DeleteI assure you, vaccines DID NOT kill Thalia. I absolutely can say that confidently, as my friend above said, there is a 0.003% chance that I'm wrong.
ReplyDeleteWow her dad was just on her calling you and other assholes out for the scum you are! You still want to bash the family. Shame on your sorry ass!!!!! You are obviously a damn troll!
DeleteYou can call me all the names you want, I'm a big girl, I can take it. I'm not the main suspect in the murder of my child though so there's that. No one is disputing that Thalia was taken too young, it's not fair and our hearts are breaking for her. I want the truth as much as the next person. IF it turns out that this was a case of vaccine induced encephalitis I will be the first one to apologize and give my condolences to the family, you can quote me on that.
DeleteBut vaccines do not and can not cause cerebral trauma. Period. Somebody is guilty and just because he talks a good game does not make him any less of a suspect. Of course my heart breaks for him, he just lost his daughter. But emotion is a complicated thing. And it is possible that he lost her due to his own abusive tendencies. Way more possible than this being a vaccine injury. So yes, emotion is complicated, and while I feel for him, I also want justice for Thalia, and if that means he goes to jail for Thalia's murder, well, I don't see how that is my fault, I don't see how that is ME being an ass hole.
you don't get vaccines stabbed into your brain then shaken around to mix it properly
DeleteYou can ask anyone, even I am willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. I assume I'm talking to Tyler? But the FACT is, SOMEONE shook her. Whether it was you, or Karla, or I've even suspected Felicia. You, as a father, should be fighting for the TRUTH. Somebody KILLED your baby. Vaccines simply DO NOT cause Shaken Baby Syndrome. Unfortunately for your family, the anti vaxxers swarmed Karla, when her baby died so close to the time that she was vaccinated, they swarmed her and gave her a possible answer when I'm certain all she could do was ask "WHY".
ReplyDeleteBut vaccines didn't kill your baby, Tyler. You need to see that. Somebody killed your baby, and until you so much as acknowledge that, I have zero respect for you, I have zero respect for your wife. Do not cop out. Don't be fooled. The hospital is not wrong. Somebody shook your baby. Fight for the truth.
Get a life!!! OMG you are evil! This is NONE of your business!!!!!!
DeleteLOL you are experiencing cognitive dissonance its so funny. Get off this families nuts now and let them grieve you damn swine!
DeleteYou know, it is he who wrongfully accuses who is guilty. Are you a paid troll?
Deletethat's not cognitive dissonance you horrid person
DeleteIt's not Kelly's business, but it is your business starr656? You have been interjecting with your opinion, and "citations" throughout this entire thread. Suddenly the father of this baby shows up, and you want to assert that someone else needs to "get a life" and this is "non of their business." Cognitive dissonance? You do see the irony right?
DeleteAnd one more thing: it is the anti vaxxers who are exploiting Thalia's death to fit their agendas. Not us. We are the ones fighting for your daughter. If I'm being honest, I don't actually give a flying fuck how my words might affect anybody's poor feelings. I want the truth for Thalia. And from an outside perspective, the only suspects of her MURDER are you, Karla, and Felicia. And right from the very moment I had the thought, my money has been on Felicia.
ReplyDeleteFighting for his daughter? You were just accusing the whole family of child abuse!!!!! This isn't a soap opera or Clue...go read a book or watch a soap opera if you're so into drama. It was the damn vaccines! Get a life!
DeleteYou THINK it was the vaccines. You are no better than they are when you.. without proof.. create a narraitive to suit your view. Google warrrioring does not mean you know what you are talking about.. and tossing around discredited views and links doesn't either.
DeleteBy giving in to the anti vax philosophy, Tyler, you are putting a substantial amount of other children in harms way. The anti vax community is using you and your family to advocate against vaccines. They even know it's not true, or else why would they need to lie about the number of vaccines she received? If you let them use Thalia that way, I can't even tell you how many other parents are going to watch their kids die due to vaccine preventable diseases. Think, Tyler. Do the right thing.
ReplyDeleteYou're using his family to exploit child abuse because you don't want your precious vaccines to have caused this babies death. WHY? You know why. You would actually for once feel bad and maybe just maybe want to question the safety of vaccinations. You going to debunk every vaccination death? There are thousands!!! Go ahead get to debunking and figuring out who the killer was lol. The killer was vaccines!!!!!!! Get that through your thick skull. You're so full of ignorance.
DeleteNo we don't know why.. you are creating a narrative that is silly.. You think they want to exploit a family because we might actually for once feel bad and maybe just maybe want to question the safety of vaccinations...
DeleteWhen you cite the statistics regarding Vaccination deaths I will debunk them. Knock yourself out... You again are creating a false narrative with no evidence just alot of explanation points..
She went from at least a mimimum amount of logical all the way to emotional attacking. I think even she knows she hasn't said one single thing of value.
Deleteshe's lost her mind, guess she just got vaccinated
DeleteI second everything Kelly just said. I want justice for Thalia, that's all that matters right now. Regardless who did it, you, Karla, Felicia, I know you and your wife are suffering and I'm terribly sorry for your pain. I can't imagine and don't want to imagine what that feels like. Whoever did do it should own up instead of dragging Thalias name through all this angry vaccine sewage.
ReplyDeleteThe dad said it himself. He's not blind like you guys. A parent whos child dies after being vaccinated is smart enough to put two and two together. You really think people are anti-vaxx for the fuck of it? NO! They were pro-vaxx until their loved one died! This happens all the time more often then you think and that's because most deaths are called off as SIDS, SBS, and whatever other label they have. Research vaccination death why don't you and take your head out of your arse!
DeleteYour vaccines aren't the life saver they play them out to be. Death is a probable cause just because you haven't experienced it yourself or known anyone who had a loved one die from it doesn't mean this doesn't happen. Most vaccine deaths are not reported to VAERS! Some parents who are INNOCENT even end up with a wrongful conviction and put in prison for stuff like this and they are innocent! It happens, look it up. Oh I bet your too busy watching Keepin' Up With the Kardashian's..go figure lol.
Delete"most vaccine deaths are not reported to VAERS" make sure to post your citation for this claim.
DeleteExperiencing a death from vaccines is anecdotal evidence and is irrelevant. Ive never expierenced a family member's death from heart attack it doesnt mean I do not know what it is and what it isnt.
We look it up? We read up to date studies? We follow internal medicine doctors and infectious disease doctors.. epidemiologists.. and study after study that gets repeated over and over for efficacy..
Star, you're an idiot. Nice straw men by the way. Yrs the dad who has past drug charges and domestic violence charges was just on here sing he didn't do it. I guess you are more gullible than anyone in the world to just believe that. He very well could've done it. Or maybe someone else did. Stop using a baby's death to further your cause especially when there's no evidence that vaccines are the cause
Deletestar66 is a disgusting and terrible person. She wants children to catch measles and polio and die horrible preventable deaths.
Deletehttp://vactruth.com/2013/06/22/shaken-baby-syndrome/
ReplyDeleteYou know, you complain about being labeled crazy and a nutcase frequently. If you don't like it you should stop ranting and raving like a lunatic, swearing, calling names, and linking to sources that are laughable, at best.
DeleteYou are not somehow superior because your false beliefs have led you to deny vaccines. You are not smarter than the rest of us because you choose an alternate realty. You have chosen to ignore the rest of the facts in this case. I have been following this closely because it hits home. There are too many other things going on to blame the vaccines. If there were no other evidence of wrong doing I might, maybe, listen to the vaccination theories. But vaccines DO NOT cause symptoms of shaken baby. Encephalitis, rarely, but not shaken baby. Vaccines do not cause a child to have opiates in her tiny body. Vaccines do not cause brain bleeding. Swelling, possibly rarely, not bleeding.
You bash us for concluding this is a case of child abuse without knowing autopsy results, the repeatedly vhenomatly insist that vaccines killed this child. You also have no knowledge of autopsy result, so why is your assumption acceptable? Oh, that's right. Vaccines are evil, big pharma is killing us, and you know so much more than the rest of us "sheeple". If for 5 seconds you could get over your delusions of grandiose, you might realize this story is about more than you inflated ego and need to be proven right. This story is about a child who has been murdered, and your ridiculous claims only detract from the real quest for justice for this poor child.
Did you even read the link? Retinal trauma can occur in 5.8% of people without trauma and that some how replaces SHAKEN BABY SYNDROME?
DeleteTrauma/Diffuse Axonal Shearing/Fractured bones.. NONE of those symptoms can be evident from encephalitis. That topic and article literally attempts to 'paint' the possibility of a picture that Shaken baby syndrome.. or for us up to date people... Abusive Head Trauma/Diffuse Axonal Injury.... is caused by encephalitis which is literally stupid and un-true.
You need to understand mechanism of injury, the pathophysiology of Encephalitis...and undersatnd Diffuse Axonal Injury.. Literally its when axons tear in multiple places from violent shaking.... It cant occur in swelling.
Vaccines cannot cause Fucking Fractures... that fucking pure idiom is beyond reprehensible..
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ReplyDeleteI'm glad all these anti-vaxxers want their children to die horrible miserable deaths from measles, polio, small pox and all those other diseases that leave you writhing in pain and defecating all over yourself while you're bleeding and suffering pain so bad that you can't do anything anymore. I know I'd rather let my kid get these rather than vaccinate them.
ReplyDeleteI also like how autism is the worst most vile thing that can happen to a growing kid. Even though vaccines do not have any connection to autism, anti-vaxxers would rather their kids die the aforementioned horrible deaths than risk their kids being autistic.
Here are my 0.02. Clearly, the truth is murky at best and the situation is a completely sh!tty one from top to bottom.
ReplyDeleteI am an optometrist. We are trained on shaken baby syndrome because the shaking causes damage to the small and delicate blood vessels in the retina. Children who have suffered SBS often have retinas that look like these, hemorrhaged and bloody:
https://www.google.com/search?q=shaken+baby+syndrome+retina&safe=off&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS514US515&espv=2&biw=1024&bih=540&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=t6sIVfO7DcyHsQTZ-YGgAQ&ved=0CAYQ_AUoAQ
Saying that vaccines caused THAT is ludicrous. That is trauma. This is NOT caused by falling off of a sofa. A fall would have to be equivalent to 20-30 feet to cause that kind of damage.
Lastly, for those who keep insisting that spine/bone damage would need to be seen for SBS to happen, think about how soft the brain is. It's about the same consistency as watery tofu. Which is going to be damaged FIRST if you start shaking it? Solid bone or watery tofu? Implying the brain tissue should be MORE resilient than solid bone is ludicrous.
So again, the truth is murky. But one truth is apparent: vaccines are not the cause. If the hospital diagnosed shaken baby syndrome, they surely looked at the eyes and saw this. More arguments from ignorance to claim that SBS is a cover for vaccine injury. They are not.
Furthermore, claiming that SBS is a cover for vaccine injury is aiding and abetting those who commit such atrocities. Think about that very carefully before deciding to promote this idea.
They don't think about it carefully. That is EXACTLY the issue. They are defending child murderers because it suits their agenda. Basically, anyone that has violently shaken their baby to death, moving foreword, is going to claim they are victims of vaccine injury. Without the evidence to support this claim, they'll not be able to find a correlation, but IT WILL possibly delay justice from being served. There may be other children in these households that suffer in the meantime. That is profoundly immoral. This is generally speaking by the way, just in case anyone decides to tell me to "mind my own business." This is cult like behavior. Nothing less.
DeleteThey don't think about it carefully. That is EXACTLY the issue. They are defending child murderers because it suits their agenda. Basically, anyone that has violently shaken their baby to death, moving foreword, is going to claim they are victims of vaccine injury. Without the evidence to support this claim, they'll not be able to find a correlation, but IT WILL possibly delay justice from being served. There may be other children in these households that suffer in the meantime. That is profoundly immoral. This is generally speaking by the way, just in case anyone decides to tell me to "mind my own business." This is cult like behavior. Nothing less.
DeleteNot sure if my previous comment made it through because it doesn't show up so...posting again (sorry if it's a double):
ReplyDeleteI see the trolls are out in force on the page unfortunately. One look at that mother and you instantly see something is a little off about her and i'm not just talking about how she's dressed. Her eyes radiate an expression commonly seen in the drugged out and the psychologically off. A drug overdose would follow suit perfectly with the child's symptoms and SBS would follow suit perfectly as well. If a person has an adverse vaccine reaction it usually happens immediately or within the first 2 days. It doesn't just magically show up 9 days later as encephalitis or brain hemorrhaging. I have no doubt the child ate an opiate drug and i wouldn't put it past either parent to have shaken the child. Some people should not be allowed to reproduce. Also, to the trolls and jackasses that want to say it's no one's business, like hell it isn't. When bad things happen to people it becomes everyone's business. We don't want to see two murderers or negligent parents get away with their idiocy. Who protects the innocent when the parents are evil or just plain bad? It's up to the village at that point. It takes a village to raise a child and by diddly damn that village needs to step in when necessary. Here's to hoping neither of them ever have kids again. That poor baby, snuffed out by blatant idiocy and she probably wondered why her parents were hurting her or why she didn't feel good after eating the black "candy" on the floor.
Your right! But it's not just Karla, it's the whole family. Something is wrong in that bloodline. Karla's mother posted a distrubing picture of baby on March.6 right after death held inside her shirt, against her naked boobs. SICK! Look at all her posts. They are all boob pictures. Who cares? She dresses like a tramp too and has raccoon eyes and buck teeth. She slept with more men than an average woman could do in ten lifes. I know because I was one! And it wasn't even good sex. She needs to act her age, she's not sexy and not a young girl anymore. She’s on all the dating sites but she can't keep a man though. But she gives that away. She has had so many plastic surgeries and spent so much money but had to file bankruptcy. I don't think their priorities are right. She needs a brain transplant. All they think about is themselves and only the physical and every one is sick of seeing their boobs. Always too much makeup and half dressed. Karla is obsessed with the gym and her body. NOT her kids! Strange family. Sad that this happened but it's not a normal family. Maybe they’ll start paying attention to the important things in life. If the mom stayed home to raise her kids instead of running off to the gym and posting selfies letting everyone under the sun babysit, things would’ve ended up different. Nobody cares about the important things anymore!
DeleteThis is from someone very close to the family of Thalia. I was around when this all happened and am choosing to remain anonymous. Believe this or don't, but it is what I witnessed happen the night she went to the hospital. I was with a family member, the family member was told by a relative that Thalia had swallowed a pill she found on the carpet of her home while in the care of her father, Tyler. There was utter shock at that statement alone. We arrived at the hospital and was told her brain was swollen. Before I go on, let me state this FACT. Thalia was healthy for days before this happened. No illness, no rashes, no swelling. Nothing. Continuing, Karla handed her home over to the authorities to investigate what had happened. The grandfather was told by the police and CPS that they had recovered several "small black pills" on the carpet of their home. We were all told that Karla and Tyler had passed their drug screen the first night at the hospital. We found out the next day that they did not, in fact, receive the results of the drug screen and wouldn't receive it for another week for it was a blood screening. We also received info from the police that the small black pills found on their carpet were indeed opiates. The final news we received was that Thalia's brain had swollen more and her eyes were bleeding/bloodshot. The doctor's told us all that this is not due to opiates, but someone shaking the baby severely. Karla suggested that the paramedics possibly shook her daughter, a ludicrous statement. The final day of Thalia's short life, the doctors confirmed opiates were found in her blood stream. Karla, and now most of her supporters, now believe this is due to an error at the hospital and was caused by the medication Thalia was given by her doctors. That's not all. The following days we received information following her autopsy. There were several fractures in her skull. This is something that has been left out of every "news report" on social media. Karla and Tyler do not want people to know this. But I digress, their actions following this event is not what matters. What matters is the truth of what actually happened to Thalia. Knowing all of this, I ask, how do vaccines cause skull fractures? How do the vaccines explain the small black pills found in their home? These questions have yet to be answered and has all of Thalia's family wondering what actually happened. Except Karla and Tyler, who have now turned to the anti-vaccine community for support. Saturday morning, I, along with all of Thalia's family will be saying goodbye to her for the last time at her service, knowing that all of these inconsistencies in her death will not be answered.
ReplyDeleteIt really doesn't matter if you are family to Tyler and Karla or are a close friend to the family what is disturbing is that you would post things that are simply not true. If the black pills you described were in fact opiates Tyler would be in jail right now. As far as I know opiates do not come in black pill form. If I wrong about that please tell me what opiates do. I don't recall ever seeing any official report stating that there were multiple skull fractures and I have seen the CPS report. Since there is no official cause of death yet it is heartless of you to post your guess at what happened. You should keep you mouth shut till there is some official medical finding as to the cause of death.
DeleteJACI you are just being a mom and that's fine, but we can all see where he gets his denial from. Look up opiate images on Google and it will show you all different forms. What he is posting is disturbing and we wish it wasn't the truth, but don't worry there is and will be justice for thalia.
DeleteI did google images as opiates as I do not know much about them and have still yet to see one that comes in the form of a "little black pill". As I have stated before I am not in denial. There are numerous things about all of this that are disturbing I completely agree with that. This is a tragedy no matter how you look at it. A baby lost her life. I have always been aware of the mistakes that my son has made in his life and have never been one to sit by and defend him when I knew or thought he was wrong. Even he would testify to that. The point that I am trying to make is that Everyone involved in that family has made terrible mistakes and people shouldn't be so quick to jump to conclusions. There are so many things wrong with what went on here . Why do you think its taking so long to determine what actually happened? You are right about one thing though, there will eventually be justice and I am not so one sided to think that what happened to that precious baby is the fault of only one person.
DeleteSomething is wrong in that bloodline. Karla's mother posted a distrubing picture of baby on March.6 right after death held inside her shirt, against her naked boobs. SICK! Look at all her posts. They are all boob pictures. Who cares? She dresses like a tramp too and has raccoon eyes and buck teeth. She slept with more men than an average woman could do in ten lifes. I know because I was one! And it wasn't even good sex. She needs to act her age, she's not sexy and not a young girl anymore. She’s on all the dating sites but she can't keep a man though. But she gives that away. She has had so many plastic surgeries and spent so much money but had to file bankruptcy. I don't think their priorities are right. She needs a brain transplant. All they think about is themselves and only the physical and every one is sick of seeing their boobs. Always too much makeup and half dressed. Karla is obsessed with the gym and her body. NOT her kids! Strange family. Sad that this happened but it's not a normal family. Maybe they’ll start paying attention to the important things in life. If the mom stayed home to raise her kids instead of running off to the gym and worrying about her hair and makeup and posting selfies letting everyone under the sun babysit,and caring about herself more than anything else. things would’ve ended up different. Some people don't care about the important things anymore! A poor innocent baby died because of ingorance of the parents and if drugs are true thats part of ignorance. Karla must have got her arrogance from her mom.
ReplyDeleteYou're fucking stupid. That is all.
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